
From OzDigest@mindspring.com Mon Jul  3 14:53:18 2000
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:23:23 -0700
From: Ozzy Digest <OzDigest@mindspring.com>
To: Louis Epstein <le@main.put.com>
Subject: The Ozzy Digest -- Back from the dead! (08-22-99)

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The Ozzy Digest, August 01 - 22, 1999

Hi everyone!
Yes, I'm still alive! :)  I took my computer in as I said, and it turned
out that the fan was defective and my motherboard was toast.  I've been
waiting these past three weeks for a new one, and my PC was finally ready
yesterday (Ozma's birthday!).  I'm still in the process of resurrecting
my system so please excuse the squallid look of today's Digest.  I also
apologize for any message you may have sent that "bounced" -- My mailbox
overflowed in my absence and there was no way I could retrieve it.  But
you can write me and the Digest now.

I'm glad to be back!

                                 -- Dave

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:25:30 -0400
From: Lisa M Mastroberte <ozma.rules@cheerful.com>
Subject: Ozzy Matters

It's been a long time since I posted and I always come crawling back. Oh 
well....

Ruth: <<(She wouldn't necessarily have to be assuming that Baum's
everyone-contributes-and-everyone-gets system has switched over to 
capitalism   the money might
be serving as a sort of voucher system to "budget" resources that are scarce.>>

True, more or less a barter system. Say, I want a bottle of Wogglebug 
Learning Pills and I have
a few, say, rare jewels. :-) He wants the jewels and I want the pills. Fair 
exchange, and still
can remain Ozzy. Better than resorting in stealing. ;)

On the _Grampa_ discussions:

No, I haven't read _Grampa_ yet, and it would probably take up to five 
weeks to have it
imported from Pottstown through my library.

On similar note, can someone please give me a synopsis of this book? Thanks. :)

Peace!! -Lisa

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From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com>
To: OzDigest@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-30-99
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:32:11 PDT

Dave Hardenbrook: >The Digests are dwindling in length, so perhaps 
discussion >of
moving on to the next BCF is in order?  Is _Grandpa_ >next?  We are now 
moving into books that
I've never read >and doubt I will have the time to read, so expect me 
to >be much quieter from
now on.

Sounds like a good idea to me.  _Grampa_ is indeed the next book (if we're 
going in
chronological order).

Nathan

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:28:00 -0500
From: David Hulan <davidhulan@ntsource.com>
Subject: Return to Oz (not the movie)

I'm ba-a-a-a-ack!

(*Sigh*, says everyone...)

It's taken me longer than I thought it would back in June, for various 
reasons. For quite a
while I wasn't home enough (what with one thing and another I was home a 
total of 12 days
between June 17 and July 11) to do everything else I had to do and still to 
research my options
and decide which way to go to return to a Mac-based Internet system. And 
while I was at Winkies
I suddenly lost most of the vision in my left eye. I was pretty sure what 
it was, and was
confirmed when I got home and saw my ophthalmologist. I'd gotten a small 
retinal tear and some
blood had leaked out into the space between the vitreous humor and the 
retina. I had immediate
laser surgery to repair the tear, but was told not to read for ten days 
after that, which again
put everything on hold. On the 22d I got the go-ahead to read again, but by 
that time a lot of
other stuff had piled up, so it was only last Tuesday that I made my 
decision and went out and
got a G3 Mac, along with all the miscellaneous peripherals or adapters that 
I needed to do all
the necessary functions. And then it took a couple of days to get 
everything set up, all the
data transferred from my old computer, etc. etc.

Anyhow, I'm not going to go back and try to comment on past Digests. I did 
read them on
Marcia's computer, but I don't like Outlook Express and I don't like 
Windoze computers, so I
didn't try to respond. I did think I'd make a few comments of my own on 
_Cowardly Lion_, though
it's been long enough since I reread it that they're going to be more 
general than specific.

I have a hard time deciding whether this or _Ozoplaning_ is Thompson's 
worst book. It usually
boils down to which one I've read most recently; the fresher the memory the 
worse I find the
book. CL does seem to have a more integrated plot, with a real direction to 
it other than the
simple Omigod-we're-lost-so-how-do-we-get-home-again of _Ozoplaning_. On 
the other hand,
_Ozoplaning_ has several quite engaging characters: Jellia, in her best 
role in the series;
Azarine, a small part but a strong one; even the villains Strut and Bustabo 
(if I remember the
name right - the usurper who took Azarine's throne) are more interesting 
than most. Wantowin
Battles shows why he was never a major character in any other book, it's 
true - his main trait
is cowardice, and that stops being funny rather quickly. But overall, the 
characters in
_Ozoplaning_ are enjoyable. CL, on the other hand, as others have already 
said, lacks _any_
engaging characters. Notta has been justifiably dissed by just about 
everyone who's commented
on him. Bob is almost totally passive; not a fault in a quite young child, 
of course, but it
makes him of little interest. The Cowardly Lion isn't even in good form 
here; he starts off on
a quest that he knows quite well is wrong, and in the thunderstorm he 
panics and nearly gets
all of them seriously injured. And Snorer is pretty much of a bore. Crunch 
is at least
interesting, but he's only on stage for a short time.

There are other Thompson books I think are weak - _Royal Book_, _Grampa_, 
_Gnome King_, _Giant
Horse_ - but even they are much stronger than CL. I'm glad we're getting 
past it; when do we
start on _Grampa_?

Incidentally, I was already off-line when the discussion of postponing the 
CL discussion for a
lengthy period took place, but the same argument applies to the next 
several books as well, so
I thought I'd give my opinion. There are only a handful of people - ten or 
twelve max - who
actually discuss the BCF, and I think most of us have most if not all of 
the books. There may
be other lurkers who enjoy reading the discussions but don't participate; 
from what I've heard,
though, I'd say that the majority of people who get the Digest aren't even 
interested in
reading the discussions, much less caring whether they'd read the BCF 
recently or not. I'd say
that the only time discussion should be delayed should be if someone on the 
Digest says he or
she wants to get the book and doesn't have it yet; in that case a wait 
might be indicated.
Otherwise, I think waiting is unnecessary.

I look forward to getting back to full participation now!

David Hulan

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:36:16 -0500
To: Ozzy Digest <OzDigest@mindspring.com>
From: "R. M. Atticus Gannaway" <atty242@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-30-99

RUTH BERMAN:

 >Robin Olderman: RPT has several versions of descents underground, >and 
I'm not sure if I'd
want to argue that all of them include some kind >of recollection of 
"Alice," but the "Hungry
Tiger" one, with Betsy coping >with the unpleasant Queen Fi Nance does seem 
to me rather like
 >Alice's underground adventures.  (Baum's underground Mangaboos 
in >"Dorothy and the Wizard"
also maybe show Carroll's influence?)

Carrollian ditto on Neill's Chapter 16 heading for _Hungry Tiger_.

Atticus * * *

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:44:07 -0500 (EST)
From: <sahutchi@iupui.edu> To: OzDigest@mindspring.com
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L. Frank Baum did act under the stage name George Brooks, but somehow I 
don't buy this...

                           Flash of Fate, The (1918)


                                       Directed by Elmer Clifton



                                       Writing credits James W. Atchison

                                                      (story) Waldemar Young




                                       Genre: Drama / Crime


Buy related


Books



                           User Rating: awaiting 5 votes.


                           Cast (in credits order) Herbert Rawlinson .... 
Randolph Shorb Sally
                                                   Starr .... Mary Freeman 
Jack Nelson .... Joe Freeman Dana Ong ....
                                                   Henry Shorb Madge Kirby 
.... Gertrude Shorb Willis Marks .... Abner
                                                   Hinman Charles West (I) 
.... Philadelphia Johnson rest of cast listed
                                                   alphabetically L. Frank 
Baum .... Dave Hinman (as George Brooks)


                           Directed by Elmer Clifton



                           Writing credits (in credits order) James W. Atchison

                                           (story)

                           Waldemar Young

                                           (scenario) and W.B. Pearson

                                           (scenario)


                           Produced by Herbert Rawlinson



                           Cinematography by Virgil Miller

                                     (as Virgil E. Miller)


                           Production Companies

                                Universal Film Manufacturing Company [us]

                           Distributors

                                Universal Film Manufacturing Company [us]

                           Also Known As: Crookedest Man in the World, The 
(1918) (USA) Country:
                                                   USA Color: Black and 
White Sound Mix: Silent

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Scott Andrew
Hutchins http://php.iupui.edu/~sahutchi Oz, Monsters, Kamillions, and More!

"Love is not a positive emotion that begins in us and ends in the positive 
response of someone
else.  Love is divine energy that comes from God and has no end."  --Eric 
Butterworth

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From: Orange5193@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:34:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 07-30-99
To: OzDigest@mindspring.com

In a message dated 7/30/99 8:35:05 PM Central Daylight Time, 
OzDigest@mindspring.com writes:

 > >  James P. Doyle wrote: >  <<I'm nearing completion on a compilation 
recording of music from
Wizard, >  Woggle Bug, Tik-Tok, The Patchwork Girl as well as Baum's own 
music from >  Maid of
Arran>> > > >  You've made it sound quite interesting. Please keep us informed.

Okay- some information.  The CD will be out this autumn, issued by Hungry 
Tiger Press' Hungry
Tiger Music. The title is: "Before the Rainbow: The Original Music of Oz" 
The CD provides an
overview of the music used in stage and screen productions of Oz material 
in which Baum himself
was a creator, as well as a glimpse into the musical talents of the Royal 
Historian himself.
List of selections: Paul Tietjens: Suite from the "Wizard of Oz" (1902/3) 
Frederic Chapin:
Selection from "The Wogglebug" (1905) L. F. Gottschalk: Selection from "The 
Tik Tok Man of Oz"
(1913) L. F. Gottschalk: Suite from the film "The Patchwork Girl of Oz" 
(1914) L. Frank Baum:
Medley Overture from "The Maid of Arran" There are also a couple of fun 
little bonus cuts,
including a (thankfully) instrumental version of  Baum's "Down Among the 
Marshes".

Also, I'd like to mention that David Maxine has an impressive CD 
compilation of historical
recordings of music from the 1903 "Wizard of Oz" coming as well. More 
details on these and
other Oz music to emerge from Hungry Tiger Press.

James Doyle

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:10:44 -0400
From: David Levitan <david@emeraldcityofoz.com>
Subject: Oz Web Ring

Hi, I decided to do everything a day early, since I already had all my 
programs ready to grow.
The new Oz Web Ring Search is available at 
http://www.emeraldcityofoz.com/ozring/search.html or
at the ring's home page, http://www.emeraldcityofoz.com/ozring/. It is 
extremely fast, and
although I'm not convinced that it is 100% accurate, it is as accurate as a 
search engine will
get. I will probably update the index every month, adding in new sites as 
the join the ring.
Please send me any comments you may have. Thanks. -- David Levitan 
Ringmaster: Oz Web Ring
E-mail:                          Web Page: 
david@emeraldcityofoz.com        The Emerald City of
Oz dbl@bestweb.net                  http://www.emeraldcityofoz.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:26:56 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell@compuserve.com>
Subject: acroz the great divide
Sender: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell@compuserve.com>
To: OzzyDigest <OzDigest@mindspring.com>

James P. Doyle wrote: <<I'm nearing completion on a compilation recording 
of music from Wizard,
Woggle Bug, Tik-Tok, The Patchwork Girl as well as Baum's own music from 
Maid of Arran>>

You've made it sound quite interesting. Please keep us informed.

Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<Magic works in the Outside World in _John Dough_, 
which isn't part of
the Oz series, but was connected to it by _Road_.  As for magic not working 
in the Outside
World, the only real example we have of this is in _Wizard_, in which the 
Silver Shoes don't
make it to Kansas with Dorothy.  In _Ozma_, Glinda states that the Belt 
wouldn't work in the
Outside World, but we never receive any actual proof.>>

Nor would we want to try the experiment of taking the Magic Belt to the 
Outside World if
   there's a good chance it would end up beside the silver shoes! In 
addition to these passages
   about magic being limited to Oz, there's also the implication of the 
Winged Monkeys'
   statement that they can't fly to Kansas because they don't belong there. 
I mentioned Baum's
   "Oz books" because, as you say, he did depict magic working in America 
in other stories. In
   addition to JOHN DOUGH, mermaids swim under California soil in SEA 
FAIRIES and
   Button-Bright's fairy umbrella carries him across the continent and back 
in SKY ISLAND.
   Several AMERICAN FAIRY TALES show magic at work on our streets, and Oz's 
citizens not only
   remain animated but work a few spells in QUEER VISITORS. Nonetheless, in 
the Oz novels
   themselves, Baum depicts natural disasters and magic worked from within 
Oz as almost the only
   ways to fairyland. (Button-Bright's trip in SCARECROW is an offstage 
afterthought.) In
   COWARDLY LION Thompson starts a different approach, which she continues 
in LOST KING, GNOME
   KING, JACK PUMPKINHEAD, GIANT HORSE, and perhaps others.

Before COWARDLY LION runs away, there were a couple of phrases which 
sounded odd to me, as if
they were idioms that haven't survived--

193: "You don't need a disguise," wailed the Cowardly Lion remorsefully. 
"You look like almost
anyone." "I feel the same way," coughed the clown.

209: Notta leaned out of the bus and, seizing a pencil and pad, wrote back, 
"He broke himself,
save the pieces."

Anyone recognize catch phrases here?

Also, does anyone want to conjecture a connection between the "shaker of 
magic powder" that Wam
   used to animate Crunch [224], and the powder of life from the crooked 
magician/Dr.
   Nikidik/Dr. Pipt? Wam is also credited with wishing brains into Crunch's 
head [260, 263], but
   I note Margolotte supplied brains for Scraps in a separate operation, 
and Jack Pumpkinhead
   gets by with rather few. Lest I seem only to denigrate Thompson's 
storytelling in COWARDLY
   LION, I admire the details she inserts to show Crunch's physical power, 
especially his
   "rubbing his stone forehead noisily" and "bringing his fist upon a rock 
and splintering it"
   on page 227. Even before he becomes a clear villain, Crunch is a clear 
danger.

Tomorrow I set off for the Munchkin Convention by way of the Grand Canyon. 
I hope to meet some
Digesters there and renew my acquaintance with others; I'm starting to feel 
starved for wisdom
from David Hulan, for instance. I'll thus be away from my e-mail for a 
coupla weeks.

J. L. Bell                  JnoLBell@compuserve.com

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Anthony Donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
To: "Dave L. Hardenbrook" <OzDigest@mindspring.com>
Subject: animated opz

this is a oz cartoon i have never seen before

http://www.achilles.net/~jhall/oz.html

From: TerriHH@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:04:20 EDT Subject: New 
Kansas To:
OzDigest@mindspring.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22

Hello there

Just thought I'd let you know about the movie New Kansas which is a parody 
of wizard of oz.
There is a website www.newkansas.com that you can visit. There is going to 
be a contest on the
site soon where clips will be shown and people can e-mail how many WOZ 
references they can
find.

Terri

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From: "jumpony" <jumpony@email.msn.com>
To: <DaveH47@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:50:37 -0700

do you sell any chess sets in the theme of Wizard of Oz, or know where i 
could purchase one?
thanks.  laurie jumpony@msn.com

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